47: The Ambivalent Magician Simon Hawke

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gellaho

Time to return to the wacky time travelling adventures of Dr. Marvin Brewster, the evil wizard Warrick, and the 8 trillion other characters in the Reluctant Sorcerer/Adequate Adept. What does an already too meta sci-fi/fantasy series need? That's right, you need to insert that author into the story, baby! The time has arrived to finish Simon Hawke's fantasy comedy series with The Ambivalent Magician. Coming this Friday, 5pm eastern, bring the pain.

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gellaho

@Brockway pin this or else get pulled into a fantasy world where you'll be forced to make soap and swiss army knives in excruciating detail

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Didn't this come out in like 2015

gellaho

1996

FancyShark

If Hawke thinks this is a "nonstop rollicking adventure romp", something like making coffee or folding laundry must be like a roller coaster to him

And fuck you, Locus

gellaho

If you don't think the production process behind pig iron isn't hilarious, I don't know what to tell you

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Simon writing himself into the story is like the meta verse of 1996 then

FancyShark

Locus is right about one thing: there's a lot of comedic potential in the book. It's just left to rot while Hawke tells us what he watched on TLC

gellaho

with three exclamation points

Heretic Ferroday

god that cover looks like Hawke desperately wanted to be Terry Pratchett

FancyShark

Oh, you have no idea how right you are

gellaho

The David Mattingly covers were much better

That perfectly encapsulates what a dweebus the main character is

FancyShark

It's also the most fun page of the entire book

Heretic Ferroday

I kinda love the two conan side characters at the bottom

throwing up their hands like "why the fuck did you buy this?"

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

I tried to take a drink every time I caught him imitating Pratchett and I wasn't self destructive enough to keep up.

Heretic Ferroday

oh god

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

I dunno he looks pretty good to me

Djonin, Daybreak MegaFan

What the fuck

I thought Jakesey had Gordon Ramsey as his pic

Brockway

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Tommyg13, Long Island Iced G

Excellent

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Oh no. I am the Adept

Or whatever

Brendan Reborn

We should have retired the ascot after Charles Nelson Reilly passed on to that square in the sky.

gellaho

Charles Nelson Reilly passed in 2007, so these ascots are safe

gellaho

Less than an hour until The Ambivalent Magician. They decided to put a big spoiler in the preview

FancyShark

Sixty years and he never tried that?

gellaho

Long Dedication on this one

FancyShark

Spreading the blame around quite a bit

Brendan Reborn

I'm only sorta here for the first hour, so I may ask for a recap when I fully arrive.

Mr. J Boots

god damn so many people were involved in this book, it better be amazing

gellaho

Simon's getting involved immediately

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Oh hell ya

Mr. J Boots

oh well, just getting right in there

FancyShark

Ripping the bandage off early

Javo, The One with the Owls

ok im out

Mr. J Boots

fair, I think im gonna stay a bit see where this goes

gellaho

He does not have time for your shit either

FancyShark

Brace yourself if you stay. These books hurt more than any of the others we've read

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

You gotta a least stay to read "Hawke moistened his lips"

Mr. J Boots

this is physically painful to read

gellaho

It's also all about Pittsburg, you love Pittsburg!

FancyShark

Always draw your reader in by telling them what you're doing for them is a massive chore

gellaho

I have some doubts about this one

FancyShark

Of course you do, Hawke

Except they word it more like "when will this shit be over?"

Mr. J Boots

so that's why it's called fantasy fiction

gellaho

He's a very busy man

FancyShark

"I will not have my readers thinking I'm a sloppy writer"

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Hmmm 1996 right? What was the serious book

FancyShark

Oddly, it was Infinite Jest

Mr. J Boots

is this just a phillip k dick style mental breakdown he's having that he then published?

FancyShark

He did this shit in the last two books too

Maybe the Biggest Mo

https://www.ebay.com/itm/174456523823

FancyShark

Because he thinks it's clever

gellaho

Say goodbye to Teddy

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

It looks like it could have been a D&D novelization he was working on

FancyShark

Dialogue's more sexually charged than he probably intended

Mr. J Boots

Even if it was clever, it's not 3 times in a row clever

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Whims of creation came out around then too

Javo, The One with the Owls

I am so fucking mad you guys

FancyShark

Good. You're in the right headspace for this book then

Mr. J Boots

I thought you liked metatextual stuff

Javo, The One with the Owls

fuck you

Brendan Reborn

The upside of being a writer in 2022 is your checkbook balances itself on Mint. The downside is writing no longer pays. So you get none of my tears, Hawke.

gellaho

I can't believe this is real

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Here, have a Heathcliff

https://www.gocomics.com/heathcliff/2014/06/19

Javo, The One with the Owls

imagine being a student and finding out this dude is teaching you how to write

FancyShark

My Nervous Breakdown by Simon Hawke

Mr. J Boots

So, be very very specific about the wizards power level? that's not good writing advice tbh

gellaho

Hitting a little close to home, Professor?

gellaho
Mr. J Boots

oh god imagine Simon Hawke as a doctor?

FancyShark

Jesus, Simon. Do some journaling or something

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

Mystical phenomenon are best when they're rigorously quantified.

Mr. J Boots

"We can't remove his cancerous testicle are you mad? he'll lose all humanity"

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

This actually might be right around when he quit teaching and writing and worked at Home Depot full time

There's no joke there, that's what he did at some point

Mr. J Boots

Brandon Sanderson believes so too but he's also wrong

FancyShark

That tracks

Mr. J Boots

he couldn't even get another teaching job?

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

At least he's not ripping off terry pratchett or douglas adams yet.

FancyShark

Give it time

gellaho

I'm having a great time

Mr. J Boots

is that what he's trying to do?

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

In his blog he said he was just fed up with the life and that Home Depot actually paid him benefits unlike adjunct professoring

Mr. J Boots

he's very bad at it

Mr. J Boots

wow holy shit really?

the fuck is going on colleges

FancyShark

The fuck is going on EDITOR?

gellaho

Something for all the Hawekeheads

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Hahaha

Javo, The One with the Owls

had he considered not sucking shit

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Yermakov joke

Javo, The One with the Owls

Adjuncts are the slave labor of Universities

FancyShark

Knowing he was going through a rough patch in his life does explain these books a bit

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

We've talked about this before and despite all of …this, I'm Team Hawke all the way

FancyShark

These books are an endurance test

gellaho

And now we resume the journalist and the naked mental patient

FancyShark

oh hell, this subplot

Mr. J Boots

what the fuck is happening?

FancyShark

A reporter broke into a mental ward and hid in a random room that happened to contain a nude young woman

And he helped her escape

For some reason

Mr. J Boots

....

what does any of this have to do with the wizard

FancyShark

Some fantasy bullshit is bleeding into the real world and this guy is investigating it

Mr. J Boots

you know what I think javo had the right idea

gellaho

She escaped on her own and hid in his car if I remember

Colin Hightower: the most hated reporter

FancyShark

I honestly can't remember a lot of the details from this subplot

I expect Hawke to give us a full biography on each of those reporters

And Lake Michigan

gellaho

Here you go

FancyShark

Ah, thank you

Wait, I hate this

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

Wait isn't this post-apocalyptic? Glad to see the cast of 60 Minutes survived.

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

No this is a different series

FancyShark

For once, there's no apocalypse!

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Same author though

Brendan Reborn

"I'm very concerned about how dry your lips are."

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

We read so many books where the author occasionally forgets his own setting.

FancyShark

I like how a worldwide event is only being examined by one hated journalist

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

This is why worldbuilding is so important.

gellaho

Meanwhile, Marvin Brewster is about to meet some dwarves

FancyShark

I'm sure he'll treat them with dignity

He already has a leprechaun. He can't make them all Irish

Brendan Reborn

Dwarves are just scottish leprechauns.

FancyShark

Wait

Before he meets them

everyone take bets on odds of a Snow White joke

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Do you think he's going to talk about their tiny 10 inch lats?

FancyShark

If Dwarf Ice shows up, I will forgive everything he's done

gellaho

Are you ready for a song?

FancyShark

Hi ho?

gellaho

Partly

FancyShark

Rapping dwarves

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

But then: that's Stuart Scott's music!

FancyShark

I...did not predict rapping

gellaho

Very small

gellaho

This next part will blow your mind

FancyShark

oh no

gellaho

This goes all over the place

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Oh my god

FancyShark

Holy shit

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

So close to Small Ice

FancyShark

WE WERE SO CLOSE!

gellaho
FancyShark

HOLY SHIT

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Lol

gellaho

the cover artist was too much of a coward to depict this

Brendan Reborn

Well, Shark, you called it.

FancyShark

I don't see mention of the Duke of Hell. Forgiveness is still withheld

gellaho

By the way, the hits keep coming

FancyShark

Ha. Ha.

gellaho

Remember: Swiss Army knives are a great gift

Javo, The One with the Owls

is there anything on god's earth worse than bad comedy

gellaho

Meanwhile: fantasy gentrification

FancyShark

Adventure!

gellaho

Endless descriptions of fake business dealings?

FancyShark

@GDC and a bucket of shuriken , take a shot. This is attempting to Pratchett

gellaho

Worry about the imminent riots in Pittsburgh

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

Ooh, yeah this is real Ankh-Morporky.

FancyShark

They should relax. Hawke only threatens to have plot developments

gellaho

Simon Hawke muses on the nature of wealth

FancyShark

Dammit, take a shot

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Seems like a normal day in Pittsburgh

gellaho

Your lesson for today is about banking

FancyShark

Take a shot

Javo, The One with the Owls

I am taking a shot but its Russian Roulette instead

gellaho

And then, insurance

FancyShark

DAMMIT, TAKE A SHOT

I'M NOT EVEN TALKING ABOUT DRINKING NOW. SOMEONE SHOOT THIS BOOK.

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

This is how I die.

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

Uh, that's a terrible picture.

FancyShark

The worst part of the bank talk is that Pratchett wrote about banks after this was published

gellaho

Don't you want to know about their corporate structure?

FancyShark

Fuck, we found what Simon read about for this novel

gellaho

Fantasy jews

FancyShark

Oh NOOOOOOO

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

He accidentally wandered into the wrong classroom one day and stayed for a macro econ lesson

gellaho

Jesus, this business talk is endless

FancyShark

Thank you for not posting all of it

GDC and a bucket of shuriken
gellaho

Secession to avoid taxes

FancyShark

"And document every step of the process!"

gellaho

What you want in a ruler is a former murderer and step-sibling lover

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

Assassin's guilds, of course.

Javo, The One with the Owls

worked for Rome

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Which time?

gellaho

Ah, so Australia

gellaho

Footpads and Assassins Guild

I named it the best joke in the first book

FancyShark

It makes an acronym!

Honestly, it was the best joke of the first book

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

oof

gellaho

we've moved from business to nation building

FancyShark

It managed to sound less hate-crime-y, but it was still dated

This series is a great example of how world building is not the same as a story

gellaho

Missed a y there

FancyShark

I was joking about documenting every step, but this is still not surprising

gellaho

Got 'em

FancyShark

Take that, town Hawke definitely didn't pick at random on a map

gellaho

OK, so, there's a joke here but he missed it

gellaho

And I'm no comedian, but the joke should be that he's making soap in order to make people smell better, but the process of making soap makes everything smell bad

that's the irony

instead we spend a lot of time talking about soap production

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

I think he was leaning too heavily on thinking that spam is a funny word.

gellaho

but he doesn't even play that up enough

FancyShark

Too eager to explain the rendering process

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

Is this one of those scenes where we realize the author has a fetish?

gellaho

If I wanted to be playing Civilization, I'd be doing that

FancyShark

Possibly

These books are more like he reads encyclopedia entries and regurgitates them onto the page

gellaho

Simon Hawke isn't particularly coy on what he's into

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

Lips, mostly.

gellaho

It's giant black dudes and redheads

Enter chamber pot

FancyShark

I'm not comfortable with him saying "young girls"

gellaho

Similar SAG joke

FancyShark

So the war is being fought via economics?

We asked this in the last two books, but who the hell is this series for?

Brendan Reborn

Black men who love redheads?

gellaho

Simon forgot this was a comedy

Brendan Reborn

Royal gossip enthusiasts who are into pissplay?

gellaho

Redheads and svelte aggressive women. Dr. Stone and Raven respectively

FancyShark

Can't see anything wrong with that

But this has enough lore and minutia to keep a hardcore fanbase busy. And nothing to actually build that fanbase

gellaho

Aluminum coins

FancyShark

oh hell

gellaho

Brewster started out as an absent minded professor who only cared about science

gellaho

Now he knows all this economics shit

FancyShark

He has done zero science since he arrived, outside of the basics involved in manufacturing

gellaho

This is what I'm dealing with

FancyShark

JFC

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Like half this book is entry level econ

Why though

FancyShark

Someone published this

Someone paid Hawke money for this after he turned it in

gellaho

Have a lip

FancyShark

There are reviews of this book online. There are people that love it and call it hilarious

Are we in some hell dimension?

gellaho

You're doing a great job so far

gellaho

From what I've seen, most fantasy and scifi comedy books are terrible

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Comedy is hard

gellaho

especially when you are not a comedian

FancyShark

Brewster cared so much about making a time machine, he neglected his wife. But he's self-aware enough to make light of what's going on

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Like seriously go try to do stand up at an open mic night and you'll be humbled

FancyShark

Absolutely

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

Stop saying nickallirium.

I said, replying to a much earlier post.

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Unfortunately some people just think they can try to be funny and it ends up like this

gellaho

Still dealing with this in the third book

gellaho

This for an audience of nerds who only read pulp fantasy and scifi

Which is an audience that does not really exist anymore

GDC and a bucket of shuriken

That's all I read and I hate this.

gellaho

well, if you are here I assume you've been exposed to actually comedy

FancyShark

Even if we weren't a group that loves great comedy, this book would offend those sensibilities

gellaho

And we're back

FancyShark

Just kill him, Hawke

gellaho

Someone in the Star Trek camp didn't pay Hawke

FancyShark

Hey, more proof the publisher didn't read this

gellaho

Assuming this one

FancyShark

Even Picard looks disappointed

gellaho

Listen, Simon Hawke got Star Trek: TOS #69. That's why he's a king

FancyShark

Nice

Brendan Reborn

I don't fault him either of those.

Okay, I'm actually here now. Who are the characters and what is the plot?

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

We don't know

FancyShark

Too many and there isn't one

gellaho

I could also use some

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Hawke self insert is bitching about not getting paid and the other characters are trying to start a business

FancyShark

And a kingdom

gellaho

The simple farming town Brewster crashed in is becoming gentrified and rich, and has decided to secede from the kingdom

Brendan Reborn

I am too forgiving of self-inserts. Grant Morrison ruined me.

FancyShark

This apparently is ruinous to the villain, who has spent the whole time arguing with Hawke

Brendan Reborn

It just makes me love Hawke.

FancyShark

Don't worry. That will change

gellaho

The man wants his check, OK

jakesy, Mr. Ass appreciator

Yeah except this self insert is literally him talking to the characters directly

FancyShark

Hawke opened the book bitching about how much he hates writing